Curse

twicky_kid · Dec 02, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Kristy D.

That's true. It may seem that paying 50k extra for the 9hp you get is crazy, but I just got done a battle and when it was over, I had 1hp left! 1hp made the difference between life and death. So that extra 9hp may just save your life one day!

that's like paying for insurance for 30 years and now you make a claim for a $2000 dollars. you spent more than that for the premium then it would have if it came out of your pocket.

i've been at 1 hp many times but i do not contribute that to my sup vigor rune. it was my monk or the foe's skill that got me at 1 hp. my sup vigor had no say so in the matter.

its vanity pure and simple. you cannot prove beauty or attraction it is all opinions. saying that it takes too long to get or its too expensive is just opinions. to this day people are still paying for the fow armor in high demand so the price must not be too much otherwise no one would bother getting it.

as in optomizing a pve character you really only need about 100k at max. the good upgrades are cheap (no sundering is not a good upgrade). fortitude is expensive but only should be used on warriors. the other classes need more armor than they do life. +5 armor upgrades are extremely cheap. greens are also cheap and save you alot of time trading.

Caged Fury · Dec 02, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

At the moment, I'm just playing the game (PvE). I'm just doing the quests and missions - I make money by just selling drops to merchants and it's enough to get by on. I don't trade with other players as most of the drops I pick up are pretty naff and no one will want them anyway. Sometimes I would like to have more gold than I actually have, but it doesn't really bother me. If I don't have the monies to buy something then I'll do without until I get enough. As for these fancy, expensive armour people are talking about...well, I'm not desperate for them. When the time comes when they can be bought, then I'll see if I can afford them or not. I just want to play the game and farming for items just to get monies doesn't really appeal to me.

Dax · Dec 02, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I think it's lame people choose looks above things that are actually useful. And indeed, 9HP is nearly nothing, but it's better then nothing.

Funny, half the time I can't tell the difference what I equip. I like 'the looks' as well. Let's face it we like eye candy, if not we'd be playing on a dos text game.

Antagonist · Dec 02, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Your problem is buying signets of capture, all normal skills can be bought from a trainer at Ember Light Camp, you only need the signets for Elite skills. Buy the normal skills first at the cheap price, then buy signets for Elites.

Thanks for the answer, but I honestly don't know how that is relevant for my problem. In the end I need all skills both standard and elites and the overall price of 30 k per character doesn't change. After all signets of capture are nothing more than skills in disguise.

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I suspect that many players who defend ANet's changes to gold income are people who have been playing since release and have made a nice amount of money when it was still easier to get gold (even with normal playing / without farming). So they aren't affected as a new player would be by overdone things like the huge price changes to the skills which they can afford with no problem.

Tiq · Dec 02, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

Thanks for the answer, but I honestly don't know how that is relevant for my problem. In the end I need all skills both standard and elites and the overall price of 30 k per character doesn't change. After all signets of capture are nothing more than skills in disguise.

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I suspect that many players who defend ANet's changes to gold income are people who have been playing since release and have made a nice amount of money when it was still easier to get gold (even with normal playing / without farming). So they aren't affected as a new player would be by overdone things like the huge price changes to the skills which they can afford with no problem.

Im a new player, Ive only started about a month ago, and Im defending them

Loviatar · Dec 02, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

Thanks for the answer, but I honestly don't know how that is relevant for my problem. In the end I need all skills both standard and elites and the overall price of 30 k per character doesn't change. After all signets of capture are nothing more than skills in disguise.

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how much gold do you think you actually need and what for?

also what have you wasted money on that wasnt needed ?

also you want every skill you dont NEED every single one of them

Zaklex · Dec 02, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

Thanks for the answer, but I honestly don't know how that is relevant for my problem. In the end I need all skills both standard and elites and the overall price of 30 k per character doesn't change. After all signets of capture are nothing more than skills in disguise.(Snip)

I'll explain how it's relevant to you, there are a lot more non-elites skills remaining to acquire when reaching Ember Light Camp than Elites, roughly a 2:1 ratio(just for an example, 20 standard skills vs 10 elites). It is far cheaper to puchase all of the non-elite skills first, of which there are more, and then spend the 1k per SoC for the Elite skills which you need to cap. Does that help any.

The first skill you buy will cost 50gp, the price then increases for each subsuquent skill, even with needing to get 30 skills still it shouldn't cost anywhere near 30k. Also, your first 2 Signets of Capture are FREE, only costing a skill point. I know it only cost me less than 6k to buy all of the remaingin Ranger and Mesmer Non-elite skills for one of my characters, leaving 24k for Elites, of which 2 I already have(ok I have more, but that's an example). In theory and practice you will run out of skill points before ever running out of gold, and I never farm for my gold. I just clear out zones, ID everything(this increases the gold value) and sell to merchant, can easily make 3k an hour doing this.

asdar · Dec 02, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

They have it just right.

It's easy, too easy to get the very best armor in the world. They call it Droknar's armor. It's also very easy to get weapons that are so close to the best that the difference is negligible.

It takes a long time to get FoW? It's supposed to, it's a time sink to keep all those PvE devoted people playing until chapter 2.

Fight the machine and settle for Droknars!

Xenrath · Dec 02, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I wish people would stop making comparisons like Civic vs Mercedes, or diamonds being the "real thing" etc. those points are not how it is. In terms of "usefulness" or stats etc, all the armours beyond droknar, and a good number of collector/other items are pretty much the same under the hood.

It's not comparing a Civic with a Mercedes. It's comparing a Civic to a Civic with a Mercedes shell. The engine, the gears, the performance, everything inside and under the hood is identical, you just put a Merc. shell on the outside. There's a word for that in motoring, I believe the popular term is "riceboy" basically no different from a standard car just has nice bits bolted on top

A very large percent of items and armours in GW are just like that. Not that I'm against it but if you're looking to save money, don't spend it on things which are just pure vanity, or get those things after you've secured good equipment for use in the game first.

Vroom Vroom!

Shadowspawn X · Dec 02, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

It's not made to even be acheived. It's for players who exploited the game in some way to look foolish. It only shows they've spent 100's of hours farming over and over alone, no skill involved. I'd personally rather not party with a FoW armor player, I doubt they remember how to call targets.

Wrong, it is achievable by honest play. To bash people as you are doing because you cant get FoW armor is ridiculous. You and the people who go out of their way to critize the armor are part of a sub-class of people who have flooded the game recently. The do nothings and want everything group. I have never exploited this game (except the soon to be nerfed book trick, hehe) and resent your rude comments. The probelm with people like yourself and other whiners is when you tell them exactly what to do to meet their goals and they dissmiss it as grind and keep crying and bashing everything and everyone.

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

I suspect that many players who defend ANet's changes to gold income are people who have been playing since release and have made a nice amount of money when it was still easier to get gold (even with normal playing / without farming). So they aren't affected as a new player would be by overdone things like the huge price changes to the skills which they can afford with no problem.

I haven't been playing since release I started in June , not April. Gold has never been easy to get. I finished the storyline in my 1.5 droks and 32k to my name, the 1st time I got a max damage weapon was hells precipice from the lich and it didn't have a bonus mod. You are crying about things that have always been that way. There is was no golden age of prosparity in this game other than now. There is more gold available now in this game than there ever was, the FoW/UW is now well documented for any n00b to conquer, the green item market is a boon to all, chests of gold items litter the landscape and skills have come down in price and have never been so cheap!

The game is flooded with gold, but it does take effort to get any of it. The probelm is there is a new breed of player today with an entitlement complex. They call questing grind and just want the quest rewards. I went to cap a skill in "Elona Reach" yesterday and instead of LFG all I saw was "willing to pay" and " need to be ran" spammed in local chat. These guys are paying warriors to run them through the mission using the crystal trick. Yet these very same people want FoW armor and UAS, but can't be bothered to play the game. There is no way people with this mentality will ever get anything out of this game. Yet they get their half-baked toon acsended somehow and think they are entitled to FoW armor and UAS, this is not a good trend for the community, I don't think.

twicky_kid · Dec 02, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Wrong, it is achievable by honest play. To bash people as you are doing because you cant get FoW armor is ridiculous. You and the people who go out of their way to critize the armor are part of a sub-class of people who have flooded the game recently. The do nothings and want everything group. I have never exploited this game (except the soon to be nerfed book trick, hehe) and resent your rude comments. The probelm with people like yourself and other whiners is when you tell them exactly what to do to meet their goals and they dissmiss it as grind and keep crying and bashing everything and everyone.

I haven't been playing since release I started in June , not April. Gold has never been easy to get. I finished the storyline in my 1.5 droks and 32k to my name, the 1st time I got a max damage weapon was hells precipice from the lich and it didn't have a bonus mod. You are crying about things that have always been that way. There is was no golden age of prosparity in this game other than now. There is more gold available now in this game than there ever was, the FoW/UW is now well documented for any n00b to conquer, the green item market is a boon to all, chests of gold items litter the landscape and skills have come down in price and have never been so cheap!

The game is flooded with gold, but it does take effort to get any of it. The probelm is there is a new breed of player today with an entitlement complex. They call questing grind and just want the quest rewards. I went to cap a skill in "Elona Reach" yesterday and instead of LFG all I saw was "willing to pay" and " need to be ran" spammed in local chat. These guys are paying warriors to run them through the mission using the crystal trick. Yet these very same people want FoW armor and UAS, but can't be bothered to play the game. There is no way people with this mentality will ever get anything out of this game. Yet they get their half-baked toon acsended somehow and think they are entitled to FoW armor and UAS, this is not a good trend for the community, I don't think.

i do agree with you about the mentality of the community. whine and bitch until i get my way. you did miss a few things.

there was a golden age in GW. up until 2 months after lease was the golden age. i could make 100k+ per hour with ease. mainly because the merchants were screwed up and prices for anything was extremely high. the drops were not nerfed so solo farming was an endless cash cow. there is a huge difference in wealth from people that have played from release and people that started from june on.

yes this is unfair but does it matter? no it doesn't. most people from the beginning has hundreds or millions in gold and nothing to do with it. i am worried about chapter 2 if we are able to transfer our characters with the ammount of gold in the market right now. econemy would be shot to peices the first week.

CHunterX · Dec 03, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Yup, I don't do anything in this game. I just join random PUG's and turn on my "Faction Bot" and follow around the nearest player, to make them think I'm playing. I've made 850k this way. I also just started playing in November and continually sell in the Local chat with my "Merchant Bot." Man, how did you find out my secret? You sure know everything about everyone else.
/endsarcasim
I'm sorry but its pretty much guarenteed that 80% of people exploited the game in some way to get FoW armor. My post wasn't directed towards you, stop taking it personally. In my experience of playing this game, people with FoW armor are no better, and some times worse (FoW warriors charging into mobs shouting for heals) than the average player. I'm not saying I've played with everyone ever, but I have yet to come across a skilled player in FoW armor.

Teufel Eldritch · Dec 03, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

I've said it before numerous times & I will say it again. FoW armor ONLY means you have a lot of money to spend. It doesn't mean you farm, it doesn't mean you exploit, it doesn't mean you Ebay, it doesn't mean you are skilled.....it only means you had/have a lot of money.

Khadgar of Dalaran · Dec 03, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

you want to know how to make some cash, aye?
I farm with my 55-hp monk in the desert. if i get a gold item with a req of >=10 then i sell it un-ided for roughly 5k (depending on what it is). i clear desert (griffion area mostly) and pull in about 1k in gold, 500 in ''white'' drops, and anywhere from 500-1k in collector items (wings, horns, carapaces)...this is if we don't have favor or i don't see we have favor b4 leaving augury rock **easier now cause sup. monks runes have dropped alot in price**

if we do have favor:
take my trapper ranger to ToA get into a 4-6 trapper team and farm UW selling un-IDed, low req Eternals and Ghostlies for about 30k-50k.

I just now broke the 100k mark so it still takes awhile to get a lotta gold; but it's possible

i also have another way....but i'm not telling (and now i'm not cheating i just don't want the price to change :P)
*+Me: 10, Anet: 0 >I WIN!<

Markaedw · Dec 03, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I think it is a bad thing, when we feel that we are at war with A-net.

Xia · Dec 03, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

what is thsi 55-hp monk thing i hear about alot?

Khadgar of Dalaran · Dec 03, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

you literally have 55/55 Health

The Fox · Dec 03, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by asdar

They have it just right.

It's easy, too easy to get the very best armor in the world. They call it Droknar's armor. It's also very easy to get weapons that are so close to the best that the difference is negligible.

It takes a long time to get FoW? It's supposed to, it's a time sink to keep all those PvE devoted people playing until chapter 2.

Fight the machine and settle for Droknars!

Someone who actually understands.

I think gold is the downfall of this game. People get greedy because it's useful, and now we know why -> CHAPTER 2. Anyways, a game can be designed as fun without the use of gold. Sure gold is a standard among rpgs... but is it necessary?

Banebow · Dec 03, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Xia

what is thsi 55-hp monk thing i hear about alot?

The search button is your friend. Repeat that 5 times a day, and you will be happy

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Originally Posted by Markaedw

I think it is a bad thing, when we feel that we are at war with A-net.

I cannot speak for the others, but I have never felt myself to be at war with ANet. There are parts of the game that I believe need some work done on them, but it is merely my opinion that says that.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Wrong, it is achievable by honest play.

True, obsidian armor can be gotten through completely legitimate play. However, as prices on ectoplasms and shards went up, it became something that takes more and more work to get. The people who got the armor in the first two months put in a heck of a lot less work than it now takes. To me, that is a bit of a slap in the face. ANet decided that in the first 2 months of release obsidian armor could be gotten with ~150 hours of work, and now it takes ~600, doing the same thing now as then.

Blu_onyx · Dec 03, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

I find Guild Wars very lacking in goodies. Even in the Underworld.

I was with a awesome team once, who were so good that we lasted hours in Underworld, just looking for loot.

Eventually everyone became so bored, they just began to leave one by one.

THERE WAS NO LOOT!. Even the phantom chest's were filled with uninsipred, boring items.

GUILD WARS NEEDS A *LOT* MORE ITEMS! i mean a LOT. I believe it to be one of the games biggest shortcomings!.